tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657344379515198783.post1562826664347370686..comments2023-11-05T02:19:13.411-05:00Comments on Airing of the Grievances: From Office to Era (JM)Dennishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649848515867751444noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657344379515198783.post-1758066408008510312008-02-10T12:35:00.000-05:002008-02-10T12:35:00.000-05:00It is relevant to what you posted. I didn't comm...It is relevant to what you posted. I didn't comment on the other stuff because I largely agree, but I disagree with your interpretation of the political environment in which we live now, which was the whole 2nd half of the post.<BR/><BR/>The reason I think the primary is so critical is because I believe there is one candidate who buys into the rhetoric of the other side and seeks to co-opt it and one who does not (the exact problem you identify in the second half of your post), which is why I think Bill Clinton-Obama comparison is so faulty. <BR/><BR/>You seem believe that he is just co-opting the rhetoric, as Hillary does. But I just have to disagree. It wasn't neutral and detached but it's still a relevant point.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12649848515867751444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657344379515198783.post-46620996140546166482008-02-10T02:17:00.000-05:002008-02-10T02:17:00.000-05:00Okay, Dennis, this post was barely barely about Ba...Okay, Dennis, this post was barely barely about Barack Obama. I actually think the other stuff I am discussing is far more interesting. I will not dignify this with an answer.Dan Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01255192610898436474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8657344379515198783.post-12696943443924147242008-02-09T23:07:00.000-05:002008-02-09T23:07:00.000-05:00"Heck, as Dennis has so very often pointed out, we..."Heck, as Dennis has so very often pointed out, welfare reform came to us straight from 1990's version of Barack Obama, William Jefferson Clinton"<BR/><BR/>This is nearly Chris Matthews level analysis. "Bill Clinton was young! Barack is young! Bill Clinton is charismatic! Barack is charismatic! I think he's the new Bill Clinton, what about you Howard Fineman?"<BR/><BR/>The fact is that Bill won by running against his party and calling the policies of the Democrats "brain-dead." While Barack has been to the left of Hillary. The only manner he's been right wing or moderate has been in comparison to Imaginary Hillary who exists in Clinton supporters heads, and who didn't vote for war in Iraq, who didn't set up our next escapade in Iran, and didn't spend last summer and fall running a right wing campaign when she thought she was going to win the primaries.<BR/><BR/>Bill created the impression in people's minds that he was kind of conservative, whereas moderates and conservatives I talk to believe that Barack is more liberal than Hillary...but they still like him better.<BR/><BR/>Also there's the endless affairs and the "nuts and sluts" campaigns (by both Clintons) against any woman who accused him of anything. Goodbye to all that, indeed.<BR/><BR/>Also:<BR/>"Ronald Reagan helped bring down entitlement programs by discussing a "welfare queen" who was living a life of luxury scamming the system. While this seems like a reprehensible lie (and it is), what he was really doing is changing the rules of the game."<BR/><BR/>What about?:<BR/><BR/>"I think illegal immigration is a scapegoat for real problems facing workers."-Barack Obama 2008<BR/><BR/>Wolf: "Would you meet with these leaders without pre-condtions?"<BR/><BR/>Barack: "I would."<BR/><BR/>"I think we've scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them." -Barack to evangelical black church before the SC primary.<BR/><BR/>"I don't wear the American flag pin because I think it is a substitute for real patriotism"<BR/><BR/>Yes he didn't endorse a single payer system, but he's made a point of breaking certain tabeaus (most personal to me, talking about gay right anywhere outside of a Human Rights Campaign rally, let alone at an evangelical church of a constituency he needed)that Hillary has embraced and even attacked him for breaking.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12649848515867751444noreply@blogger.com